Is Your Escrow Money Safe? Maybe Not.

by Lynnae on September 3, 2009 · 330 comments

Taylor, Bean, & Whitaker Check Bounced

You buy a home with an FHA loan.  Every month, you pay not only your principle, but PMI (Private Mortgage Insurance), and property taxes.  When property tax time comes around, the mortgage company takes the money you’ve been paying every month out of the escrow account and pays your taxes.

When you refinance a home, you still have to pay the taxes with your new mortgage company.  We did this recently (more about my refinance next week).  We paid almost a full year of property taxes with our new mortgage company, Bank of America.  And we had a refund of almost the same amount due us from our old mortgage company, Taylor, Bean, and Whitaker.

Last week we received our refund.  I deposited it into the bank.  The bank held it for a few days and then made the funds available, so I transferred money to our ING Savings account.  This morning I woke up to an overdrafted checking account to the tune of $880.00.  What happened?

The Taylor, Bean, & Whitaker Check Bounced

Apparently, the feds raided Taylor, Bean, & Whitaker on August 5th, a couple of weeks after our refinance closed.  They filed bankruptcy on August 24th.  Which leads to the question…what happens to the escrow money?

The very purpose of escrow is to keep funds safe, so they can be used for a specific purpose.  In this case, the funds were to be used to pay property taxes.  But since we refinanced with a different bank, and we paid property taxes into a new escrow account, the money should have been returned to us.  And it should have been no problem, because the point of escrow is to hold money.  The money should have been there.

So what happened to the money?

Colonial Bank is Shut Down by the Feds

Apparently Taylor, Bean, & Whitaker used Colonial Bank frequently.  Mortgage payments were deposited there.  Employees were paid from Colonial Bank.  Sometimes from the same account as the mortgages were deposited into, according to NBC 11.

That doesn’t reassure me that my money and that of many other Taylor, Bean, & Whitaker customers was kept safe.

So the question remains:  What happened to the money?

Taylor, Bean, & Whitaker’s Answer

I called Taylor, Bean, & Whitaker to find out what was going on.  After being on hold for an hour, I finally got through to Ramona.  Yes, she assured me, they were aware that checks were bouncing.  The reason was that the bank they used had ceased and desisted.  (Colonial Bank, perhaps?)  But they are going to reissue checks from a new bank, I was assured.  My new check should arrive in “a few weeks.”

So I asked the obvious question.  “How long is a few weeks?  Three?  Six?”  She told me two.  I’m not holding my breath, but I’ll let you know if the check gets here…and doesn’t bounce.

So what is the fallout?  And what happens to the consumers in the meanwhile?

The Consumers are Left Holding the Bag

I can’t speak for everyone, but I can tell you what life is like for us.  First of all, we had 8 transactions bounce in our checking account with Chase this morning.  Chase charges $25 for each failed transaction, for a total of $200.  But they only charge for the first 6 transactions, I’m told, so the total is $150.

Chase told me they’d give me a one time courtesy credit of $70, which is the maximum they could give me. So I’m out $80.  Fortunately payday is tomorrow, so we’ll be in the black again.  Barely.  My husband’s paycheck will be about enough to cover what we owe at this point, so we won’t be spending any money for the next few days at least.  Fortunately we don’t have any bills due, and our pantry and freezer are stocked, so we’re fine.  I think we have enough gas in our cars, too.

Since I had just moved the money over to ING, I couldn’t transfer it right back.  We had a little extra in ING that should hit our bank account on Tuesday, so by then we should be OK.

I truly feel for those who don’t have an emergency fund at all and for those whose paydays are not tomorrow.  As I was researching this morning, it seems that consumers with their taxes still held at Taylor, Bean, & Whitaker are unsure their property taxes will be paid at all.

It Makes Me Angry

Thousands of families in the United States work hard.  We do the best we can to manage our money. We don’t bounce checks, even when money is tight.  And when our money is put into an escrow account, we trust that it will be kept safe.  And when a financial institution issues a check, we expect that it is good.

And in one moment, when a financial institution hasn’t performed ethically, and a bank is shut down, and a lender declares bankruptcy, the lives of hundreds of consumers are turned upside down. We’re left without our money, that we worked hard to earn.  We’re left with overdraft fees to pay.  Fees that are not our fault.  We’re left wondering whether we’ll need to come up with another $1500 by November, so our property taxes will be paid.

We have to cut through the red tape.  We waste an hour of our morning on the phone, just to find out where the money went.  We wonder whether this is in any way covered by the FDIC.  We wonder if the check we’ve been promised will indeed show up in the mail.  And if it does, we wonder if it will bounce again.

I’m glad we’re going to be OK.  We’re tight, and the next couple of months will probably be rough, but I know we’ll survive this.  But I also know there are families out there devastated by this.  Families who will be reeling from this bank failure for months to come.  And my heart goes out to them.

Photo by Mike Licht, NotionsCapital.com.

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1 Clinton December 4, 2009 at 9:05 am

I got a check from TBW Equity Accelerator program yesterday.it was dated for 11-27-09. I took it to chase bank since that was where the account was issued from, they refused to cash it! they said that the check was no good. so i called Equity Accelerator. The lady on the phone assured me it was a good check and to cash it. i told her that chase said it was no good and that was where it was issued from again she assured me it was good. so, I took the check to walmart and they cashed it for me i just hope it doesn’t come back on me. if the checks start bouncing, isn’t that check fraud on tbw’s part? i’m holding the money until the 12th of dec that way walmart can be paid back if this check is really no good. by the way Chase wouldn’t tell me why the check was no good just that it was. Please let me know if the checks do start bouncing, i would really like to know. Good luck to us all!

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2 Phil December 7, 2009 at 10:27 am

I’m in a slightly different position than many of the other posts here and would like to see if anyone in the same predicament as I has come up wit a staregy that has worked. I’m bing told by David Dantzlet of the law firm of Troutman Sanders that there are 749 people like myself who had their loan re-financed by TBW where TBW had the orignal loan and then also did the re-finance. Citrus Land Titla did the closing on 7/27 and supposedly TBW was funding the loan by 7/30/2009. Well the old loan was never paid off , and TBW issued me a new loan as well. Subsequently TBW transewfered the old loan to Cenlar. TBW has the new loan . Both companies are looking for me to pay their mortgages. I have not paid either. Any suggestion?

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3 Yvonne December 26, 2009 at 8:36 pm

I’m in exactly the same boat as you are. We refinanced at the end of July (Taylor Bean to Taylor Bean). Also mailed my Sept mortgate payment in early August using the coupon in the refinance package. As I had always done in the past, I mailed them the payment plus additional escrow and additional principal. This payment went to Orlando, FL (per the coupon) and was cashed and then frozen at Colonial Bank. So I’m out over $1100 if I don’t get it back. My new mortage was never credited for that Sept payment. Subsequent payments (the bare minimum) were made to Taylor Bean and credited. My last payment, sent over 3 weeks ago, was never cashed and I can no longer view my Taylor Bean mortgage info online as in the past. The old mortgage went to Cenlar. Cenlar has paid my taxes but not my homeowners insurance, which is now overdue. It’s a huge mess.

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4 Phil January 11, 2010 at 6:57 pm

Yvonne I have the same problem as you , except I have refused to pay anyone until the old mortgage is paid off. I feel that if I pay TBW and the old mortgage that is now held by Cenlar is not paid off that the money paid to Cenlar will be lot as they are in bankruptcy and the chances of ever getting any money from a bankruot company is slim and none. I refuse to pay Cenlar as the loan was supposed to be paid off 7/30 prior to this whole fiasco. I have been in touch with the attorney’s handling some of TBW bankrutcy issues and they claim there are 749 loans like ours, and that it will probably be resolved in the next 30-60 days.

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5 kelley December 7, 2009 at 10:55 am

I wouldnt pay either of them until the old loan is paid off. TBW cant report late payments so your ok credit wise in that regards. Tell Cenlar unless they send you proof that TBW filed an assginment of mortgage (on the old loan) with your town hall, then you have no obligation to them as of yet because according to town evidence records TBW still holds the loan.

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6 D December 7, 2009 at 5:29 pm

I got my check from EA on Friday, December 4th. I deposited it on Friday night in my local bank, and the check cleared. It was drawn on JP Morgan. Good luck to everyone else.

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7 BT December 9, 2009 at 7:13 am

Received my reimbursement check fro TBW on Fri 12/4 .. mailed to Vanguard and it has cleared. ($2100+ change) Hope everybody else gets their due monies as well.. good luck

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8 Danny December 9, 2009 at 6:22 pm

Hi BT,

Was that an escrow refund check, or an EA check?
It seems like the EA issue is slowly being resolved, but I understand that the rest of us escrow refunds guys are still SOL.

Thanks for keeping us posted.

- Danny

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9 BT December 10, 2009 at 9:04 am

Danny – we were in the Equiy Accelerator program .. This was not related to Escrow so to speak. Again, the check definitely cleared.

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10 Jesse December 23, 2009 at 9:21 am

Any new from anyone in the “Escrow refund – bounced checks” group? Haven’t heard much news lately. Other than just registering our claim, are we all just waiting for the alleged “release of funds” ?

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11 Srini December 23, 2009 at 12:58 pm

I spoke to a rude rep a few minutes ago who snapped at me that the bankruptcy judge had not made a decision yet and they have no ETA for it. Bl**dy a*ssh*les

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12 Jesse December 24, 2009 at 8:19 am

Srini, thanks for the update. Frustrating, especially when you have to deal with rude people to get bits of information about your money that was mishandled by their employers. Hang in there! Merry (fill in the blank).

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13 Darrin December 25, 2009 at 6:51 pm

I keep hearing that if your escrow refund check bounced that you need to register a claim to try to get it back. Where and how do I register a claim? I appreciate all the posts and info available here and hope we all get our money soon. Thanks.

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14 Jesse December 28, 2009 at 9:57 am

Darrin,

Here’s Randy’s very helpful post from November:

Randy November 5, 2009 at 5:06 pm

Go on BMCgroup.com This is the company that posts all the court documents and filings in the TBW case. They also handles all claims. Click on the Bankruptcy tab and it will allow you to search clients. Clicon the T and it will take you to Taylor Bean. It will then say File a claim. Click the form, print it, fill it out and mail it with all documents you have. In my vase I sent a copy of the bounced escrow check I received back from my bank. Include all fees charges by your bank. Include a self addressed stamped envelope and they will send you a copy of you Proof of filing. You will then be treated as a secured creditor. Hope this helps

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15 Srini December 28, 2009 at 2:57 pm

Jesse/Randy
I am not sure about the secured claim portion of the form (#4). Do I say the entire amount is secured and then fill out the details of my home? Please help.

THanks,
-Srini

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16 Randy December 28, 2009 at 5:35 pm

Hi Srini,

Yes, entire amount is secured as it is your money paid from your mortgage payment into your escrow. TBW or any creditor DOES not have the right to that money. Hope that helps. I sent a copy of the bounced check along with the NSF from my bank as I stated I want interest and the bank fees incurred due to the bounced check

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17 Darrin December 29, 2009 at 7:02 am

Thanks Jesse and Randy,

I already did filled out that claim many weeks ago, I just thought there might be a different claim other than the BK claim. Wanted to make sure I wasnt missing anything. Thanks again,

Darrin

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18 Scott December 30, 2009 at 11:19 pm

Thanks for all this great info…I too had escrow refund check that bounced back in August and it would have been a nice x-mas present to get this mess cleared up by now…oh well…keep updating this site if anyone hears anymore news.

Scott

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19 Yvonne December 31, 2009 at 3:30 am

I have a slightly different problem than the bounced equity checks. Besides being caught in the refinance problem where my old mortage went to Cenlar and the new mortgage stayed with TBW, I sent Sept’s payment to TBW (regular payment, plus extra escrow & principal) on August 5th. I mailed it to the address on the coupon in the refinance package. This check went to a lockbox at Colonial Bank. The check was cashed, but never credited to my account. It went to Colonial Bank and got frozen there. To date nobody has received the money–Cenlar where my old mortage was mistakenly transferred, or TBW, or me! And Colonial Bank is no longer in existance! Does anyone know how I can get this payment of $1149 back?

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20 Brent Durham January 5, 2010 at 2:12 pm

Any news? I thought that the Judge was going to do something on December 15? Guess that fell through.

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21 Armando January 11, 2010 at 6:14 pm

I keep reading about ea refunds or filing claims for bounced escrow checks what those of us that were not transferred over the correct amount in their escrow to the new mortgage company. TB&W had just withdrew monies to cover my homeowners insurance when they were shutdown and state farm was never paid so I had to pay out of my own pocket to cover the bill. Now I am out that money when will I get it back? What do I need to do?

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22 Jennifer January 12, 2010 at 10:28 am

I refinanced at the end of August and have been following this site since my escrow was never refunded. I just checked my TB&W account and the account info is no longer there. I called the court and spoke with somebody in judge Funk’s chambers they told me the court has decided on everything and it is out of their hands. She then gave me the debtor’s attorney number to call. I asked if my money should have been refunded based on the court’s motions and she said yes. I am awaiting for a call back from the debtor’s attorney, but I am now getting a little nervous. I never received a check, so I did not put in a claim. Should I have? Does anyone have any other information?

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23 Armando January 13, 2010 at 10:41 am

Spoke to Tiffany @ the FDIC she told me that tb&w should have by now finished reconciling who is owed what from there escrow accounts and supplied that to the bankruptcy court and that a ruling should given by spring of this year to either release or not release the funds.

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24 Megan January 13, 2010 at 12:30 pm

“and that a ruling should given by spring of this year to either release or not release the funds.”

This is even an option?!? Dear Lord, help me now!

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25 Jennifer January 13, 2010 at 2:11 pm

I just spoke with Sheila, I think that is her name, in the debtor’s attorney’s office. She told me to file a proof of claim for this money (I am one of those that is owed escrow, but never was issued a check) and that another motion was going in front of the judge on January 22nd. I asked about getting our money back, more looking for a when than an if, and she could not give me a straight answer. So then I asked her if I would get my money back and she still did not give a straight answer. I am beyond nervous at this point.

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26 Armando January 13, 2010 at 2:52 pm

@ Jennifer What was that Tel # for the attorneys office and how do we file a claim?

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27 Jennifer January 13, 2010 at 3:17 pm

The attorney’s number is 813 229 0144. The attorney handling the case is Robin Vaughn. As far as the instructions for filing a claim, you can find them on Randy’s post on November 5, 2009.

When filling it out, I did not know what to put in for the secured credit part. They ask what you are secured by. This is where it gets a little cloudy. This money is ours it is not owed to us for services they were holding it in trust, so I do not know what to put down as to what we are secured by.

I am slightly uncomfortable filing a claim as a creditor because I believe we are not creditors. It is our money. We should be given our money before operating costs, before payroll, before everything. They should be sending back the money that is not theirs, but was being held in trust for us.

Is there anybody who is looking out for the consumer in a case like this? You know… a court appointed somebody. I mean, how do we know our case is being represented correctly?I know the other major creditors have attorneys and I just hope someone is looking out for us. Anybody have any ideas on this?

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28 Armando January 13, 2010 at 6:20 pm

@ Jennifer

That’s how I feel it is out money. But since they owe it to us I guess we would be creditors but hopefully we are first in line. As far as section 4 is concerned that is where i get a little confused.
I guess we check the box for real estate, put the value of our house but what about annual interest rate. Do not know. And what would do enter at the basis for claim line?

4. Secured Claim (See instruction #4 on reverse side.)
Check the appropriate box if your claim is secured by a lien on property or a right of setoff and provide the requested
information.
Nature of property or right of setoff:  Real Estate  Motor Vehicle  Other
Describe:
Value of Property:$________________ Annual Interest Rate___%
Amount of arrearage and other charges as of time case filed included in secured claim,
if any: $__________________ Basis for perfection: ____________________
Amount of Secured Claim: $__________________ Amount Unsecured: $__________________

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29 Randy January 13, 2010 at 6:35 pm

Last day to file Bankruptcy claims is March 15th. It has been posted on BMCgroup.com under TBW and then click court docket

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30 Randy January 13, 2010 at 6:38 pm

I am writing the escrow refund that bounced that I never got off on my 2009 Federal taxes as mortgage interest. Figured the banks write this stuff off, so can we. Will check with a tax lawyer and post more

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31 Randy January 22, 2010 at 3:41 am

HI all, The court date motion to resolve borrower issues is set for February 19th. See court docket # 927 on the BMC group webiste. This porposes resolving the bounced escrow checks. Hopefully this is coming to an end

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32 Juanita February 3, 2010 at 2:54 pm

OMG –this is devasating… I received some money from my Mother’s small estate & was trying to pay off my mortgage to TB&W…. On 8/1/09 I sent a payment of $10,310.75 to TB&W….It was deposited to TB&W’s account at Colonial bank on 8/11/09….My account was picked up by BAC & I have spoken to them many times & forwarded a copy of the front & back of the cancelled check but they will not credit my account because they DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY…. They told me just yesterday that the funds are frozen & have not been released and they don’t know when funds will be released……In the meantime my mortgage should be paid off but I still have to make monthly payments…..My funds are not escrow funds, but a payment on principle….what should I do…..?

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33 drew February 8, 2010 at 9:58 am

Does anyone know what the ruling was on the 2/5/10 motion “Emergency Debtor’s Motion”? According to the docs sent out by bmc this was the plan to solve the bounced escrow checks (among other issues).

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34 Gary February 8, 2010 at 10:38 pm

Randy,

Any word from a tax preparer on writing off the escrow money lost as a miscellaneous deduction on taxes?

I will wait to file until Feb. 19th, but if the end isn’t in sight, I was also thinking of deducting the last escrow as a deduction, and then if I ever receive the funds, I would declare as income the next year.

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